Comments on: An Unrepresentative DemoCamp http://third-bit.com/blog/archives/660.html Data is ones and zeroes | Software is ones and zeroes and hard work. Thu, 24 May 2012 15:30:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: The Third Bit » Blog Archive » Did I Pass? http://third-bit.com/blog/archives/660.html#comment-684 The Third Bit » Blog Archive » Did I Pass? Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:46:23 +0000 http://pyre.third-bit.com/blog/archives/660.html#comment-684 [...] mentoring undergrad students: A-. Not all of my students have enjoyed working with me (see Exhibit A), but I think most have learned something useful. On the other hand, none of the projects [...] [...] mentoring undergrad students: A-. Not all of my students have enjoyed working with me (see Exhibit A), but I think most have learned something useful. On the other hand, none of the projects [...]

]]> By: Thought Balloons » Blog Archive » Democamp9:Redux http://third-bit.com/blog/archives/660.html#comment-683 Thought Balloons » Blog Archive » Democamp9:Redux Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:49:36 +0000 http://pyre.third-bit.com/blog/archives/660.html#comment-683 [...] Greg Wilson - ConceptShare’s was great—I really want a chance to play with their stuff         - I’ve already apologized to Bernie Aho for not making it clear that he and the ConceptShare team did *not* offend anyone — it was the comments from bystanders that did that. I thought their demo was great, and if they weren’t in Sudbury (which, in the minds of most U of T students, is full of cannibals and grizzly bears ), they’d already be flooded with resumes from my students. [...] [...] Greg Wilson – ConceptShare’s was great—I really want a chance to play with their stuff         – I’ve already apologized to Bernie Aho for not making it clear that he and the ConceptShare team did *not* offend anyone — it was the comments from bystanders that did that. I thought their demo was great, and if they weren’t in Sudbury (which, in the minds of most U of T students, is full of cannibals and grizzly bears ), they’d already be flooded with resumes from my students. [...]

]]> By: scott brooks http://third-bit.com/blog/archives/660.html#comment-682 scott brooks Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:28:49 +0000 http://pyre.third-bit.com/blog/archives/660.html#comment-682 I have been to a few democamps and a barcamp. Now mind you i am part of the 'wasps' that sura refers to. I am not really sure how to respond as I know many non 'wasps' that are building and thriving thier own things. Please don't trammple on me for having the guts to quite my job and go for my own glory. Nor do i trample on anyone elese who is attempting to do so. Regardless of the socioeconomic standing. In my humble opinion, lets give everyone the venue to grab thier dreams. not shit on them for being one colour or another. Everyone has obstacles to over come ....mine happens to be a 3 hour drive to these events. cheers scott I hope sura can take the opportunity to really check it out and see what it is like. I am sure that she will leave with a greatly different outlook. cheers scott I have been to a few democamps and a barcamp. Now mind you i am part of the ‘wasps’ that sura refers to. I am not really sure how to respond as I know many non ‘wasps’ that are building and thriving thier own things.

Please don’t trammple on me for having the guts to quite my job and go for my own glory. Nor do i trample on anyone elese who is attempting to do so. Regardless of the socioeconomic standing.

In my humble opinion, lets give everyone the venue to grab thier dreams. not shit on them for being one colour or another. Everyone has obstacles to over come ….mine happens to be a 3 hour drive to these events.

cheers
scott

I hope sura can take the opportunity to really check it out and see what it is like. I am sure that she will leave with a greatly different outlook.
cheers
scott

]]> By: sura http://third-bit.com/blog/archives/660.html#comment-681 sura Tue, 10 Oct 2006 03:27:12 +0000 http://pyre.third-bit.com/blog/archives/660.html#comment-681 I've never been to a bar camp gig, but have been interested in going. I'm surprised this conversation is actually even happening. It seems that the boys club mentality left unchecked is prevalent. So is the whiteness of it all. You visible minorities are kidding yourself that it doesn't matter. It does. I've been in tech for about 10 years, and I find the wasps to be at the top. Not really representative of the employee makeup. I’ve never been to a bar camp gig, but have been interested in going. I’m surprised this conversation is actually even happening. It seems that the boys club mentality left unchecked is prevalent. So is the whiteness of it all. You visible minorities are kidding yourself that it doesn’t matter. It does. I’ve been in tech for about 10 years, and I find the wasps to be at the top. Not really representative of the employee makeup.

]]> By: tsmith http://third-bit.com/blog/archives/660.html#comment-680 tsmith Tue, 03 Oct 2006 03:12:09 +0000 http://pyre.third-bit.com/blog/archives/660.html#comment-680 Anonymous, you seem to have some issues with Greg's networking methodologies. While it is possible (I would say unlikely) that Greg didn't bring up the comments to Ryan at the time because it would have hurt his attempts at networking, it is also possible (and likely) that the full ramefications didn't hit Greg until later in the evening. I would also like to mention that I think it would be possible to staff a successful start-up with "must be personally recommended by Greg Wilson" as the only qualification for new hires. Anonymous, you seem to have some issues with Greg’s networking methodologies. While it is possible (I would say unlikely) that Greg didn’t bring up the comments to Ryan at the time because it would have hurt his attempts at networking, it is also possible (and likely) that the full ramefications didn’t hit Greg until later in the evening.

I would also like to mention that I think it would be possible to staff a successful start-up with “must be personally recommended by Greg Wilson” as the only qualification for new hires.

]]> By: False Positives » Blog Archive » Toronto DemoCamp 9 : back from the holidays http://third-bit.com/blog/archives/660.html#comment-679 False Positives » Blog Archive » Toronto DemoCamp 9 : back from the holidays Tue, 03 Oct 2006 01:03:47 +0000 http://pyre.third-bit.com/blog/archives/660.html#comment-679 [...] Update : Normal process is write up my view, post, then edit (spell check for the 20th time, try to clean up the grammar), and read what others are saying. And so it was only after writing my, already delayed, first draft (uposted) that I read David Crows Open Apology, the Gregs post and Thomas’s observations. [...] [...] Update : Normal process is write up my view, post, then edit (spell check for the 20th time, try to clean up the grammar), and read what others are saying. And so it was only after writing my, already delayed, first draft (uposted) that I read David Crows Open Apology, the Gregs post and Thomas’s observations. [...]

]]> By: Lillian Angel http://third-bit.com/blog/archives/660.html#comment-678 Lillian Angel Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:07:51 +0000 http://pyre.third-bit.com/blog/archives/660.html#comment-678 I have wanted to leave a comment here for a while. After reading the feedback from all the males, I thought it needed a bit of a female perspective. I don't think it is fair for many people to assume this behaviour is appropriate and women should just deal with it. It is not a gender issue, these type of comments from men (or women) undermine the intelligence of everyone around them. I have never been singled out in the tech industry for my gender, but I have experienced the boys-club attitude. I have not been offended by it, but it is completely out of line when used at an inappropriate time or place; like a presentation, such as democamp. I have wanted to leave a comment here for a while. After reading the feedback from all the males, I thought it needed a bit of a female perspective.

I don’t think it is fair for many people to assume this behaviour is appropriate and women should just deal with it. It is not a gender issue, these type of comments from men (or women) undermine the intelligence of everyone around them.

I have never been singled out in the tech industry for my gender, but I have experienced the boys-club attitude. I have not been offended by it, but it is completely out of line when used at an inappropriate time or place; like a presentation, such as democamp.

]]> By: Anonymous coward http://third-bit.com/blog/archives/660.html#comment-677 Anonymous coward Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:38:51 +0000 http://pyre.third-bit.com/blog/archives/660.html#comment-677 I think you two seem to have misread my post. I was simply explaining to Ryan why (I believe) he behaved the way he did. I never said that he does not do good. You'll see that I did point out that him helping students get jobs was an admirable thing to do. You're probably now thinking, but he said he changed his mind about Greg. I can admire some things he does but not agree with the principles by which he does them, and that's all I was saying. I think you two seem to have misread my post. I was simply explaining to Ryan why (I believe) he behaved the way he did. I never said that he does not do good. You’ll see that I did point out that him helping students get jobs was an admirable thing to do.

You’re probably now thinking, but he said he changed his mind about Greg. I can admire some things he does but not agree with the principles by which he does them, and that’s all I was saying.

]]> By: Pete http://third-bit.com/blog/archives/660.html#comment-676 Pete Fri, 29 Sep 2006 04:35:25 +0000 http://pyre.third-bit.com/blog/archives/660.html#comment-676 *headdesk* Anonymous! Come on! I barely know Greg, but I can't wait for him to log in to Pursudo and see how people are talking about opportunities to explore the Don Valley by bike, carve pumpkins and distribute them on traffic medians, and check out underground coal fires. Please just.. sigh. Everything is going to be okay, there is nothing to see here. Move along. *headdesk*

Anonymous! Come on!

I barely know Greg, but I can’t wait for him to log in to Pursudo and see how people are talking about opportunities to explore the Don Valley by bike, carve pumpkins and distribute them on traffic medians, and check out underground coal fires.

Please just.. sigh.

Everything is going to be okay, there is nothing to see here. Move along.

]]> By: John Philip Green http://third-bit.com/blog/archives/660.html#comment-675 John Philip Green Fri, 29 Sep 2006 00:51:45 +0000 http://pyre.third-bit.com/blog/archives/660.html#comment-675 Dear Anonymous, My mildly vitriolic post above, like many of the others here, don't exemplify the genuinely high regard in which we all hold Greg. Let me address that now. Greg brings a lot of value to each and every DemoCamp. His feedback is characteristically sharp and often useful. He's introduced many dozens of people to the community and is one of the best connectors therein. Greg was wholy responsible for hooking me up with Nicolaas Handojo, a student of his, who did a most fantastic job last term adding features to a project of mine called Languify. Nicolaas and I presented it at the end of his term together. Everybody won. I am excitedly beginning work with Student #2 this week, Jeff Okawa. I look forward to a long and fruitful relationship with Greg and his students. What I see in Greg is a recognition that Waterloo is where its at. Hahaha--no, I'm serious--he's trying to recreate the Waterloo Co-op program at UoT all by himself. I got a lot out of Co-op during my undergraduate career, and encourage any efforts to spread this approach elsewhere. Greg is a pillar of TorCamp. Please do not disparage his efforts. John Dear Anonymous,

My mildly vitriolic post above, like many of the others here, don’t exemplify the genuinely high regard in which we all hold Greg. Let me address that now.

Greg brings a lot of value to each and every DemoCamp. His feedback is characteristically sharp and often useful. He’s introduced many dozens of people to the community and is one of the best connectors therein.

Greg was wholy responsible for hooking me up with Nicolaas Handojo, a student of his, who did a most fantastic job last term adding features to a project of mine called Languify. Nicolaas and I presented it at the end of his term together. Everybody won. I am excitedly beginning work with Student #2 this week, Jeff Okawa. I look forward to a long and fruitful relationship with Greg and his students.

What I see in Greg is a recognition that Waterloo is where its at. Hahaha–no, I’m serious–he’s trying to recreate the Waterloo Co-op program at UoT all by himself. I got a lot out of Co-op during my undergraduate career, and encourage any efforts to spread this approach elsewhere.

Greg is a pillar of TorCamp. Please do not disparage his efforts.

John

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